SOG PHONIES (WANNABE'S HALL OF SHAME-YOU BE THE JUDGE!)
The John Kerry's & John Murtha's Fruit Loop Kids
(You be the Judge, various communications have been received and posted below. After viewing the material, what do you think, is he a phony or what?)
From: email@example.com (John Meyer)
Let's make an official SOA phony list: These are scumbags identified by SOA or friendly, identifiable allies who help us track down phonies and name them to the fucking wall of shame. Call is the SOA charlatan list, something, but it gives us a vehicle to ID wannabe scumbags. They're everywhere.
I talked to my interpreter Hiep, who lives in Houston -- hadn't talked to him in 31 years. During the course of our conversation today he said he's met more men who identified themselves as Green Berets who fought in Nam, than anywhere else...even in Nam at CCN and FOB 1!!! This is a serious threat to SOG history. "Tilt" John Stryker Meyers
How do I find out if someone is lying about his claims of service/status/awards, etc? Click-->CHECKING OUT CLAIMS OF POSSIBLE WANNABE'S
If the person is claiming POW status and he/she isn't on the list at: http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo/pmsea/files.htm they are a liar as this is the complete listing of "all" POW's from Southeast Asia, including those claiming POW status for 1 day!
|AN ALMOST COMPLETE SOG LISTING IS MAINTAINED BY STEVE SHERMAN, SOG'S HISTORIAN, AND LISTED IN WHO'S WHO FROM MACVSOG. THERE ARE NO SOG SOLDIERS THAT OPERATED IN ISOLATION SO SOMEONE AMONG OUR GROUP AND ARE KNOWN TO US. DON'T BE STUPID AND CLAIM YOUR RECORDS HAVE BEEN DESTORYED, YOU WORKED FOR THE CIA, OR YOU ARE CLASSIFIED AS TOP SECRET. PHONIES ARE EASILY IDENTIFIED. IF YOU ARE A REAL SOG VETERAN, SEND ME AN EMAIL AND WE WILL VALIDATE YOU, IF YOU ARE A F...ING PHONY WANNABE, DON'T BOTHER US. WE CAN AND WILL IDENTIFY YOU. SPARE YOURSELF, YOUR FAMILY, AND YOUR FRIENDS SOME EMBARRASSMENT AND CHOSE ANOTHER BRANCH OR PROFESSION TO CLAIM, BUT MAKE SURE IT ISN'T THE NAVY SEALS, SPECIAL FORCES, POW, MEDAL OF HONOR, DISTINGUISH SERVICE CROSS WINNERS OR YOU WILL BE EXPOSED IN PUBLIC.--RLNoe|
Let me recap the ENDING OF THE SOUTHEAST ASIA WAR for the purpose of assisting you to evaluate claims for those who claim to have been in 5th SFGA/MACVSOG/Vietnam/Cambodia/Laos after one of these dates noted below.
1. 5TH SFGA Left Vietnam 31Mar71
2. MACVSOG Shut down 1May72
3. MACVSOG was replaced by STDAT on 1May72 and disbanded 12Mar73
4. President halted all combat operations 12Jan73
5. Paris Peace Accords signed 27Jan73
6. MACV disbanded 29Mar73 (When the last man boarded the Aircraft and it departed Vietnam Airspace Jurisdiction, MACV was officially disbanded)
7. Last Combat Soldier left Vietnam 29Mar73
8. Congress cut all funding for Indochina 10May73
10. Congress cut all funding for Laos and Cambodia 31May73
11. Bombing of Cambodia halted 14Aug73 (Ending all operations in Southeast Asia)
(Last Combat Soldier to leave Vietnam was MSG(Army) Max Beilke on 29 Mar 73 leaving 159 Embassy Marine Security Force and 50 Military Attaches. Note: All military in Vietnam were considered as Combat Soldiers and distinguished from the term Military Attaches).
Many who are not aware of these events and knowing the fall of Vietnam occurred during April of 1975, will make claims to have been in Vietnam/Laos or Cambodia and assigned to 5thSFGA or MACVSOG on a date inconsistent with the historical events.
Robert L. Noe
The following candidates have claimed to have served with MACVSOG or Special Operations in Vietnam and have been submitted for the title of "Wannabe's" and inclusion in the Hall of Shame: (Note: At least one served honorably in Vietnam, but not with SOG as claimed).
A CRIME TO CLAIM TO HAVE BEEN AWARDED ANY MEDAL, RIBBON, BADGE, ETC., EITHER
VERBALLY OR IN WRITING UNDER THE NEWLY SIGNED
STOLEN VALOR ACT. This
law does not appear to be retroactive; thus, anyone making such claims after
12/20/06 is in violation.
First Phony charged under Stolen Valor Act--Louis Lowell McGuinn
MAKE SURE YOU CHECK OUT THE WANNABE BULLSHIT CONTEST, CLICK-->Contest
GAUTHIER, RAYMOND J of Flordia (does not claim SOG connection, but claims SF & POW status) NOTICE: THIS ASS HAS BEEN SENT TO JAIL!
KEATON, LAFAYETT SOA GL 2268-wannabe (This guy actually became a member of the Special Operations Association before being exposed as a phony) He was sentenced to 6 months in prison and made to repay 13 years of stolen Social Security Checks, food stamps and medical care http://www.katu.com/news/local/108335084.html. Who ever vetted this guy within the SOA should also be expelled, each person who joins the association must have someone who vouched for his service)
LORENZO, CEZAR AKA KENNY HAMMER
MCGUINN LOUIS LOWELL (First Wannabe Charged Under the Stolen Valor Act)
MOCK, VERNON T (IN DEATH STILL A PUKE)
OKAMOTO, WALTER--Sheriff Candidate
ROBERT LEVY, ATLANTIC CITY MAYOR (July 08, convicted of being a wannabe, sentenced to 3 years probation and fined several thousand dollars--even in court, he became a wannabe pathfinder instead of a wannabe SF'er)
ROBERTSON, JOHN HARLEY THIS GUY POSING AS ROBERTSON HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE A FRAUD BY THE FBI
ROY, WILLIAM J, CSM (This guy is currently a Command Sergeant Major, the highest enlisted grade in the Army)
The POW NETWORK HAS A LONG LIST OF PHONIES, CLICK---->PHONIES